Politics of the Next 4 Years – Part 1 (Rise of the ‘Dirtbag Left’)

A lot of people remain in denial about the current political environment. Whether it’s a neocon Never Trumper, or a manic Hillary dead-ender, what these people all have in common is they firmly and passionately think their world is somehow coming back. They still don’t understand that the party’s over.

In our foolish apathy, we entrusted the country to these “very smart people” and they handed the entire thing over to crooked oligarchs, while simultaneously cheerleading us into a never-ending stream of reckless, inhumane imperial wars. They hollowed out and feasted on the entire nation and now, incredibly enough, have rebranded themselves as leaders of a toothless resistance to the mess they created. Delusional doesn’t even begin to describe these people. They genuinely think Trump’s rise represents some bizarre historical blip, and once the hideous blemish is removed, things can carry on as they were. That’s not going to happen.

Before I get into the thick of it, I want to revisit something I wrote a couple of weeks ago in the post, The Center Cannot Hold – Decentralize or Die:

In order to understand the long-term implications of these emails on the future of the nation, you need a good understanding of the primary warring factions in American politics today. We have Donald Trump supporters/voters, Hillary Clinton supporters/voters, and a resurgent left inspired and energized by the principles and ideals espoused by Bernie Sanders. The first two have absolutely zero overlap and pretty much hate each other, while the third group can sometimes identify with either camp depending on the issue, but pretty much think they’re both crazy and dangerous. The key point I’m trying to make is that there is no “center” in American politics anymore, and any discussion of this is pure fantasy. Moreover, any remaining center that still exists, is unlikely to exist at all in a year or so as more and more people feel forced to choose sides. When you create an environment as charged as this one where everyone is accusing their political opponents of treason, this is what you get; and it’s only going to get worse. A lot worse…

If what I wrote above rings true to you on any level, it has dire implications for the future of these United States. The first two groups, Trump supporters and Hillary supporters have absolutely nothing in common and that’s not going to change. In fact, it’s probably going to get much, much worse. Trump supporters think the Democrats and the media have been gunning for a way to remove him from office since the day he was elected, while Hillary supporters think he’s a treasonous puppet of Vladimir Putin. How can these two warring factions come to any sort of agreement on anything? The answer is, they can’t and they won’t. Meanwhile, Bernie supporters are likely to largely stay on the sidelines hoping these two sides destroy each other in their madness.

In a gross oversimplification, the above implies that the political environment going forward will be defined by a vicious battle between the Trump faction and the Hillary faction. While I think this will probably be true for much of the rest of 2017, there’s a good chance that a year from now, the union of Hillary donors, Never Trump neocons and the corporate media will find themselves increasingly irrelevant, on their way to being wiped off the political landscape forever. In its place, a more genuine opposition political movement will take form and face off against Trump on real issues.

This movement was first really seen on the national level with the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, but it takes on many different forms. The one aspect I want to discuss today due to its growing influence and potential for explosive growth, is a faction that has become known as the “Dirtbag Left.”

To get a sense of what I’m talking about, you should read an article published earlier this month at Maclean’s titled, The Rise of the Internet’s ‘Dirtbag Left.’ Here are a few excerpts:

Nagle sees the rise of the violent, hateful, and often deliberately confounding culture of the alt-right tied up inextricably with failures of the left. Where the internet was once viewed as a utopian space for free expression, and experimentation with thought and identity, it eventually became colonized by a calcified leftist sameness, thanks to sites like Tumblr and Twitter, where buzzwords and ideologies multiply and spread like viruses. There was also a certain sanctimonious and self-righteous tone that came to dominate these conversations. Certain strains of leftism—and especially those that valued identity above all other social and political categories—began to monopolize the free market of ideas, making the experience of being online if not entirely oppressive in its patrolling of ideas and verbiage, then certainly much less fun.

Many who were alienated by this culture drove deeper underground, to sites like 4chan and Reddit, where new mutations of far-right, anti-feminist, racist, Islamophobic, white supremacist ideologies—with their focus on memes, jokes, trolling and pushing back against political correctness—restored, for them, the earlier anarchic promise of the Internet. As Nagle writes, the emerging alt-right “had little in the way of a coherent commitment to conservative thought or politics, but shared an anti-PC impulse and a common aesthetic sensibility.”

The culture of call-outs and one-upping “wokeness”—a condescending term used to describe an overstated performance of political correctness—was diagnosed as far back as 2013 by British blogger and political theorist Mark Fisher. In his essay “Exiting the Vampire’s Castle,” Fisher decried the “stench of bad conscience and witch-hunting moralism” that emanated from the online social-justice set. He also identified the collective paralysis among those on the left who disagreed with those tactics, a “fear that they will be the next one to be outed, exposed, condemned.” Fisher, predictably, became a target of such condemnation after his essay was published; many ghouls returned to mock him when he committed suicide earlier this year.

“Anyone on the left with any independence of mind has experienced this backlash,” says Nagle. “People will look back at this period as a moment of madness—if it ends. I feel like there’s much more of an exciting, funnier left-wing culture emerging around people who are critics of it. That’s not a coincidence. You can’t be a puritanical purger and have a sense of humor.

Enter a new culture of the online left. It’s a reinvigorated wing that’s simultaneously anti-alt-right, anti-PC and anti-SJW, anti-centrist and against liberal-democratic line-toeing. It’s a movement that uses many of the tactics of the online alt-right—humour, memes, Twitter trolling and open animosity—while remaining committed to progressive leftist ideology. It’s sometimes called the “alt-left” or the “vulgar left,” or the “Dirtbag Left”—a term coined by Brooklyn based writer, podcaster, and activist Amber A’Lee Frost.

Frost is a co-host of the popular politics podcast Chapo Trap House. Founded by politically savvy Twitter jokers Will Menaker, Felix Biederman and Matt Christman, Chapo Trap House gained massive traction during the 2016 U.S. presidential primaries among online factions of “Weird Twitter” and “Left Twitter” who were eager to push back against the ascendency of war-hawk Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and stem the tides of #ImWithHer memes. “Twitter was poised to examine the primaries in a way that the established media either would not or could not,” Frost writes in an e-mail. “This was a great moment in terms of consciousness-raising and communication.”

From my seat, there are three really important aspects of the “Dirtbag Left” that makes it a very potent political phenomenon. First, it doesn’t hold back or pay tribute to the PC speech-policing cultists. People across the political spectrum are sick and tired of people pushing this idea that “language is violence” in order to censor not just political speech, but also comedy. In fact, what attracted many people to the “alt-right” or “alt-light” was simple rebellion against the increased stupidity of political correctness even if they didn’t have much in common with the political positions of Trump. The dirtbag left is quickly taking that advantage away.

The second is humor. When was the last time Alex Jones made you genuinely laugh with clever wit as he delivered a political point? Political ideas are powerful, but political ideas coupled with humor are virtually unstoppable.

Third, this faction of leftism is waging war against Clinton neoliberal frauds and Trump’s fake populism at the exact same time. Not an easy thing to do, but I think there’s a huge and growing unsatisfied demand for such a perspective.

A lot of you will discount the appeal of this movement because many of its most high-profile members are unabashed socialists. This is a big mistake. Remember, Donald Trump won the Presidency not because he was especially great or loved, but because his opponent was terrible, he talked in populist terms, and people just wanted to give a middle finger to the political establishment and corporate media. If that’s right, what’s to stop a movement from winning power if it promises to flip the bird to both Trump and Clinton while also making you laugh? Not much.

I think the “DirtBag Left” will catch the Trump team completely off guard over the next few years. The reason Trump’s prospects look pretty good right now for a second term is because there’s no real organized opposition to him. By real organized opposition, I mean a movement driven by actual ideas and passion that is also working on a plan to run a competitive candidate in 2020. The current “resistance” consists of Hillary donors, neocons, the corporate media and elements of the deep state. While Trump complains about this opposition constantly, he doesn’t realize how good he has it. The American public hates those factions more than they hate Trump, and nobody wants to vote for that discredited garbage in 2020.

The best possible thing for Trump in 2020 would be another opponent with no ideas who focuses on stupid slogans and identity politics. He’d love to once against face off against an empty suit (pantsuit?) who enthusiastically serves as a poodle for billionaire financiers and an assortment of other oligarchs. Trump can be a fake populist his entire first term and still win that race. What presents him a much bigger challenge would be a genuine populist challenger backed by a dynamic, grassroots movement. This is where the “DirtBag Left” comes into play.

This faction isn’t trying to compromise with hopeless #ImStillWithHer clowns. Like myself, 40% of the country is independent and this demographic remains up for grabs in a national election. This is the target audience. People who see that the country continues to circle the toilet bowl, and understand that Trump is a total phony. The best thing Trump has going for him is the media is seen as his primary adversary. As long as he can continue to frame the debate as him vs. the corporate media, he wins. Confronting a competing populist message that wants to deal with oligarchy will be much harder for him, and would in fact push him toward actual populist polices if he wants to win reelection. Just like being against Trump was’t enough for Hillary, being against the media won’t be enough for Trump either, IF a competing message that resonates emerges.

In order to understand the next political wave that will sweep across America, you need to understand the dirtbag left; and if you want to understand the dirtbag left, you need to get to know Chapo Trap House. Below is a clip discussing Hillary’s loss shortly after the election.

If you think politics is crazy now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Tomorrow I’ll discuss how Democrats can either become economic populists, or die as a political party.

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30 thoughts on “Politics of the Next 4 Years – Part 1 (Rise of the ‘Dirtbag Left’)”

  1. Well put… and isn’t it today that the DNC is unveiling its ‘new, dynamic message’, per Chuck Shumer yesterday… it was a same ‘ole losing message, if ever I heard one! They are going to win back two groups… the young social-issue folks, and the old conservative Blue Dogs….. nothing, absolutely nothing for the ‘Bernie folks’. Ooooooh, they are afraid, very afraid of Bernie… time to strike while the iron is hot!! Medicare for all, for starters… then free public higher education… then $15 min wage… etc. Maybe we can get a meme going as loud and strong as the DNC/CAP #Resist nonsense.

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  2. Very well written and insightful article Michael. As long as the Democrat Party is controlled by the collection of nitwits that simply regurgitate various forms of Marx, they are never going to pull out of the s***hole that they have gotten themselves into. There’s a term for something that stays the same when everything around it is changing and that word is “Extinct”.
    The Libertarian Party has a once in a lifetime opportunity to take advantage of this as the rank and file Democrats start drifting away from it they can either look to the Republicans, drop out of politics all together or look at the LP and then it can start wining important races. It’s about damn time that communism died here in America.

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  3. Both the Democrat and the Republican Party’s will be nothing more than hollowed out cadavers in 20 years.

    All Political Party’s are for Statist’s, and the Statist’s are going to find life to be increasingly tough. The figurative guillotine awaits them.

    “The collaboration rooms are full of the bones of the collaborators.”

    – Don Juan Matus

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  4. Michael, I think that the problem with the ‘dirtbag left’, and most on the left for that matter, is that they espouse a failed economic theory of socialism. I would argue that a healthy economy is the foundation upon which social programs can be built. The socially-conscious left is well-intentioned, but pragmatically unsustainable over the longer term economically.

    I think you have failed to mention another largely silent, but highly-influential group (at least in the most recent presidential election), the libertarian right. It seems to me, that the libertarians get it right in being fiscally conservative while remaining socially liberal in theory. Ron Paul is usually portrayed as a quack in the popular media, but has a very sound ideology upon a careful and fair examination.

    I would like to hear you thoughts on where they fit in opposed to the Bernie camp. We can all agree that the establishment on both sides of the aisle is done for in the traditional sense, but I don’t believe the left is the only place to look for populist ideals that have been neglected by our main stream political parties.

    Anyway, keep up the good work!

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    • Personally, I could possibly see myself voting for either Rand Paul or Bernie Sanders if the opponent was Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Despite my disagreeing with both on many issues, they each overlap enough with some of my core principles to consider supporting them depending on their campaign and the overall circumstances.

      The 2016 election pretty much proved to me that the GOP base is simply not libertarian. While Rand Paul ran a terrible race and stupidly tried to appeal to neocons, he was still the most libertarian candidate and got completely steamrolled. As such, the reason I focused on the Dirtbag Left is because I see it being a huge force over the next few years. I don’t see that for libertarians. They may have their day 20 years from now.

  5. “Before laughter, even the Bishops quake.”

    I have noticed that people in most every kind of cult appear to lack a sense of humor about their own cult.

    What you wrote makes a lot of sense.

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  6. *”Confronting a competing populist message that wants to deal with oligarchy will be much harder for him, and would in fact push him toward actual populist polices if he wants to win reelection”*

    I think that story badly underestimates the determination and reach of our current elite class and its upper middle-class enforcers, but many of the people you now call opponents would be happy with the picture you’re painting. Even if they didn’t support the painters.

    And yes, dealing with oligarchy will be hard for Trump. Meanwhile, his populist opponents have 2 key problems.

    1. You’ve set this up as a style clash, but the current style problem comes from a substance problem. As hard as dealing with oligarchy might be for Trump, it would be *harder* for the Left. Since its inception, its defining characteristic is that it lays the groundwork for, and then implements, oligarchies – and non-meritocratic oligarchies, at that. Animal Farm is real, and when you trace Leftist policies through to second and third-order consequences they all end up there. People have reached a critical mass of noticing this.

    2. Let’s say your “Dirtbag Left” does shift hard against racial/identity dynamics. Nice, but this thing already has very significant momentum. A left that simply stopped broadcasting open hatred of white people, but left in place policies that disadvantage them and infrastructure manned by people trained to hate others on the basis of skin color, is still going to be seen as racially hostile.

    I have zero confidence that the Left would actually step back at a policy and infrastructure level – though it would be fantastic if they did. And they could have a real future that way. It would just look completely different, and its outlines would probably be immensely unsettling to the current Left.

    What’s far more likely from my point of view is “The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote” scenario.

    In that scenario, Lee Kwan Yew’s warnings continue to come true. Identity politics IS politics now, and the Economic populist Dirtbag Left and Omni-nationalist Alt-Right become factions that have unique profiles WITHIN each significant community. Even as each community is also in various levels of open competition with others. Some communities won’t have much of a split, which means they would increasingly be seen as ‘other’ to those of the opposed orientation, or to communities that lean the other way. But that becomes a secondary divide; identity itself remains primary. Oligarchy functions as a 3rd player everywhere, and one that could still win based on a platform of soft slavery in exchange for promises of ethnic peace.

    Not a fun prospect, no. Especially for someone like me. But history says it’s probably the way to bet.

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    • That’s certainly possible. Clearly pessimistic and not how I see things turning out, but it is certainly one possibility. It really depends on how clever the oligarchy and its minions are when it comes to continuing to divide the population on superficial identity grounds, and prevent widespread movements of genuine economic and even civil liberties populism.

      I hope you are wrong.

    • “Animal Farm is real, and when you trace Leftist policies through to second and third-order consequences they all end up there. People have reached a critical mass of noticing this.”

      Awesomely insightful comment, Joe.

    • Michael… *I* hope I am wrong.

      The final point I want to make here is that the oligarchy’s cleverness is a very secondary factor. I’m well above-average in seeing and calling trends, but one of the things that bit me in the ass for a long time was underestimating stored energy in systems.

      Stored energy can manifest itself in inertia, AND in momentum. BOTH are harder to change than one would expect from just looking at a snapshot of where an organization or society is right now. If you want progress, you have to deal with the stored energy.

      This is why consultants (I’m one) so often fail.

      If I wanted to repeal identity politics – which both of us have an inherently personal interest in, because there’s no winning for our ethnic group once it’s really rolling – then the stored energy of bigoted beliefs and resentment created by the current system has to be dealt with. And that means a Left that not only changes course, but in several areas either backs down and dismantles infrastructure or outright changes sides, in order to preserve and advance other priorities.

      Humans are really poor at doing that, barring outside coercion. But on rare occasions they can, and do.

      @davidnrobyn… thank you.

  7. Very interesting article – good read. The problem is that there is totalitarianism (National Socialists, Lenin-Stalinists, Maoists, and softer sounding socialists and progressives) and anti-totalitarianism! Most people just want to be left the F*#k alone! The totalitarian alliance of the Left and the Islamists will destroy 1/3 of the Earth’s population by 2050 ! I don’t fear my neighbors or Climate Change – just totalitarians with the power of the “State” tellling me what I am allowed to think, say, or do ! F@#k Them all !
    (Think Mel Gibson in BraveHeart as William Wallace, “You can take my life but you can’t take my freedom” or something to that effect)! 😉

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    • Ultimately, my bigger personal perspective that I outlined in my Decentralize or Die posts, is that the U.S. government is simply too centralized and powerful to make me feel safe and free under anyone’s rule, no matter how good intentioned they may or may not be.

      We shouldn’t trust anyone with that kind of power.

  8. If this new left start out by defining their opponents as “racists”, “white supremacist” and so on it is not a good start. They already created their ghosts and we will never have any real discussion. And who will they get money from? Who donates to the left? This is a hard sale for me. Motion for new political order shouldnt attract people by serving narrow identity substitutes, but rather rely on the individual without demanding loyalty and belonging.

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  9. I think the U.S. is too large,and socially ‘disunified’ to govern, and, combining that with an entrenched, greedy oligarchy, will eventually ‘balkanize’ into autonomous groupings comprised of the formerly ‘united’ States, based in part, on geographic and shared potitical/social leanings, with the occasional ‘city-state’ thrown in to spice up the mix. It seems that our 240+yr experiment in running a constitutional republic, at least where the 50 states are concerned, is coming to an end ! Just mho …

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  10. The idea that there is such a thing as a freedom oriented Dirtbag Left that matches the spirit and attitude of the Alt Right is ludicrous. Leftists have never ever been anything but deranged totalitarian Marxists advocating nothing less than complete human slavery and depravity. The Trumpers have forced the masks off of the Leftists of every stripe, RINO and Marxocrats alike. There will be no resurgent Left to challenge the Trump freedom movement. Leftism is now as dead as the pagan Greek pseudo gods of Mt Olympus regardless of how much the commie Bernie bots pose as socalled Independents. The future is going to be shaped and controlled by Trump and the Trumper all over the world. Bet on it!

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  11. Awesome article, Mike – much appreciated. You are seriously on a roll.

    I think America’s (and maybe the West’s) challenge is the cult and habit of “Dominance” and belief in “Mass-” / Scale. There’s this thinking and need at a given time for that one idea, theme, ideology, way to be dominant and for mobilization based on these big ideas – “mass” movements and thinking. Co-existing, opposing directions and nuances is not really workable if we are to make progress- we say it is, but it’s not always true. One person or one movement can change everything and everyone needs to be onboard and bought in. Winner-takes-all too. If the general public can be brought to move in a direction even briefly then it’s a win for the proponent(s).

    Why are ideological dominance and mass-movement so important to us? I feel those are WW2-era thinking patterns. I think our minds have become used to this as a survival mode of operation – like a militarized society, everyone moves together. It worked for many things before like WW2, Communism, Civil Rights, etc. But I think powers that be co-opted this “Mass” approach and it’s dysfunctional and precarious now. And we are left with this “culture” of mass movement. We rely way too much on mass institutions like academia, mass media, large corporates and government for direction and information. We rely too much on proxy concepts to organize and express ourselves like “socialism” or “deregulation” etc. And I don’t mean we need multiculturalism and “every point-of-view is valid.” I guess Amen-ing you here, that it is like what you said about De-centralization to see how it goes in each community.

    Apologies for the rambling but very thought-provoking, thank you.

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  12. Some of you have already read this. But for those who haven’t, you need to:

    Special Alert: Horoscope USA

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/12/lutin200612

    “Uranus in Aries is going to be the 1960s all over again. The greatest time of upheaval will be between 2015 and 2019, when the square of Uranus in Aries to Pluto in Capricorn will create the seeds of revolution everywhere. Forces of repression are going to clamp down even harder on those who want to speak their minds.”

    We are half way through 2017 with the 2018 mid-term elections looming. The oligarchy will be looking to make a very strong statement. (See: “clamp down even harder” above).

    This is going to get much worse, before it gets better.

    As to the Chapo Trap House boys. They are still playing into the Hegelian Dialectic. Which means they are very controllable because the whole purpose of the Dialectic is simple, divide,conquer, and control. The same applies to this mythological “alt-right” movement.

    So what Joe Katzman wrote is mostly accurate. Only it won’t just be “soft slavery” on offer. They have set this country up for another economic disaster that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park. All they have to do is manufacture a Black Swan event (or two) and a very large percentage of the US population will be staring at a very stark choice of soft slavery or hard slavery if they want food and shelter.

    Michael Lutin’s “mustache-twirling landlord in a black cloak pointing outside toward the blizzard while a poor pregnant wretch begs for mercy” already made his appearance in 2008 and he hasn’t gone away.

    The older I get the more I appreciate everything I learned in the Boy Scouts.

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  13. Fantastic. Not nearly enough has been written about all us far Leftists who despise SJW’s, PC, identity politics and being offended by every single fucking thing.
    As the above comments illustrate, true progressive beliefs are inconceivable to most, because they cannot separate obviously benificial policies (Medicare for all, livable wage, affordable education) from “You’re a sexist cause you don’t like Hillary”.
    Newsflash- we exist, we’re informed and we are passionate as all get out. Socialism/ Democratic Socialism is no longer a dirty word- it works like a charm in Scandinavia, Switzerland, Cuba, Austria and will continue to spread. The McCarthy Era is over.
    This is a movement based on community- local first and foremost- and the inherent equality of all.

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  14. How could this “Dirtbag Left” become resurgent? Who is their candidate? Bernie, besides getting older, is now besmirched by his wife’s financial sheninigans at Burlington College. And his lakefront house in Vermont that he got right after Hillary’s nomination. He’s not Mr. Clean any more.

    I can’t think of a reasonable candidate. After all, the reasonable candidates would be dirtbags. And if this country has anything left — and we do — a dirtbag won’t win in 2020.

    I am listening to Chapo Trap House. Not impressed. It’s young people who know how to make one-liners, but they’re not all that smart. Their latest show is discussing whether Trump has dementia. That’s ridiculous, and Trump’s’ IQ is equal to the sum of any two of theirs. It’s nice easy listening, but I don’t see how it evolves to any more than that.

    Terrible as Hillary was, she had many qualifications of presidential caliber. Yale Law graduate, former Secretary of State, very intelligent. Corrupt as hell, but she’s a player. These guys might be living in their parents’ basement between their podcasts.

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    • The key point of the post is that any political movement that gets to the national stage from grassroots support will also have a cultural element in the underground that helps fuel and sustain it, and ultimately drive it to victory. Alex Jones for example was an important part of putting Trump over the victory line in 2016, yet no one would vote for Alex Jones for President. He was just part of the cultural drivers that allowed it to happen. I believe Chapo Trap House will be the equivalent force for a leftist candidate. This very well may not happen in 2020, it may be 2024 and I am not sure who that candidate would be. Could still be Sanders in 2020, could be Tulsi Gabbard in 2024. Of course, you can feel free to disagree, I’m just telling you what I see happening.

      Either way, I see the next big political wave being a leftist one, driven by cultural forces like Chapo Trap House, in a similar way to what Alex Jones and others did for Trump. You may not see anything in Chapo, but that doesn’t mean others don’t. They have a huge following and I expect it to grow massively in the years ahead. Of course, it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but it will appeal to enough people to matter.

      Only time will tell who is right, will be interesting to see.

  15. The Center is not dead the Center is the future this article is alluding to. You are correct that the Republicrats are a paper house that only needs the door kicked in. The objective conditions are ripe for a new party, not a third party but a second party to bury the Republicrats using the 2 party system against them. But get clear that the Center that can win will be left AND right. The center that can win will have to bridge the divide. So start thinking about a Responsible Socialism that is equalized about opportunity and not equity of outcome that the new right will accept. Stop thinking about the new-right as racist white Supremacist because that is a STUPID LIE THAT DIVIDES. When we stop being divisive, when we stop making EVERY issue a sacred cow, when we stop the identity culture wars, and form a class culture that respects that there is honor in what divides us and transcendence in what unites us, the Center will solidify.

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  16. “The dirtbag left is quickly taking that advantage away.”

    This entire article seems to be projection of what you’d like to happen, rather than observation of what is happening. I admire your optimism, but I regret to inform you that it is mostly unfounded.

    There is absolutely no evidence that this is even taking place at a small scale, let alone at a scale large enough to remove the advantage that the “alt-right” have right now. They are the rebellious youth these days. They are the radicals, the non-conformists. They are the counter-culture. Let that sink in.

    To simply be proud of themselves as white, christian, conservative-voting Americans living in fly-over country, they reveal the ultimate hypocrisy and double standards of the globalists who have tried to deny them their identity, whilst promoting others. The “alt-right” now also “appear” to impressionable youths as the new punks of the political landscape.

    The orthodox democrats under Obama’s reign weaponised the internet and created the environment that the “alt-right” are all too gleeful in turning against them. Open rebellion against the establishment and “cultural norms” is very, very appealing to disaffected youth. I fear all non-party aligned free thinkers are going to have to live with the backlash that 8 years of unchecked globalist policies did to America. This what happens when one particular party goes to far, the pendulum swings back hard the other way. Who knows what America will look like in 2020.

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  17. I admire the open dialogue you are prepared to have, its more than admirable compared to most websites these days that will censor most non-conformist ideas. Heck you actually published my comment, most wont. I respect your idealism and positivity. We need positivity rather than the constant drip of hysterics we get from the establishment media these days, BUT.

    I fear that the Always-Trumpers have got the jump on all of us, and pegging back that lead is not going to be anywhere as easy you have alluded too. Thats what i disagree with. Not what your ideals are. I spend alot of time reading The_Retracted and their news feed, Breitbart. They are EXACTLY the same as the WAPO or NYT. 100% rigid on a narrative. What is most damning is that they are right half of the time, just like the MSM is right only half of the time.

    I am not an apologist for what a megalomaniac real-estate mogul could do to a unwitting democratic republic.

    I am most disappointed is that you claim objectivity, yet show no evidence in having read the the data as presented from the Trumpers POV. You falsely claim that your reality is the only truthful one, that is disingenuous. To millions of Americans, Trumps reality is not only very real, but very much under attack from foreign interests. You do them all of them a dishonour by only looking through your obviously (NY megalopolis) biased lenses.

    PS I’ve read through months and months of your posts> They are all referenced to Lib-Prog blogs and sources. Do you even read anything outside your own bubble truly? Well your “research” and “sources” shows otherwise.

    I am truly independent. Can you look me in the eye and claim the same. Nothing on your blog has shown me that you are what you claim to be. A few hours perusing your site reveals your obvious bias (and most likely paid agenda).

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    • This is a really embarrassing comment and exposes you for who you are what your intentions are. My regular readers will be able to see that you have absolutely no intention of having a conversation, but are actually engaging in false accusations in an attempt at character assassination. I’m not stupid or gullible and neither are my readers. You engage in several lies and falsehoods and I will name them all.

      1) You claim I don’t understand the arguments presented by Trump supporters. If that was the case, then I wouldn’t have been able to point Trump out as a real threat to win in 2015, way before almost anyone else. Moreover, I spent most of the 2016 campaign talking about how he could win, and that I thought he might win against Hillary Clinton. Show me people living in a bubble of “liberal websites and ideology” who came out saying Trump could win the whole time. If I wasn’t understanding the anger of Trump voters, I couldn’t have seen him winning so easily, which I did.

      2) You claim I see things through a “NY megalopolis lens.” I don’t live in NY and haven’t since 2010. I live in Colorado. So much for your research skills.

      3) You argue I am just using “lib progressive blogs as sources.” First, I have analyzed and been aware of the burgeoning Trump/alt-right type movement for years. Probably longer than you and I likely have a far better understanding of the characters in it and what they are arguing than you do. Not highlighting their political ideology because I for the most part disagree with it, does not mean I don’t know about it. I know about it very, very intimately. That said, yes it’s true that many of these characters that claim to be on the “right” who claimed they love freedom, have so gone off the deep end with their Trump cheerleading, that it is true I find many leftist thinkers and writers to be putting out the best and most well thought out opposition thought against Trump, and since I think we need real opposition I highlight it. Not because I agree with everything they say, but because we need thoughtful opposition and it isn’t coming from Trump diehards or Hillary dead-enders.

      4) Your last lie is the most egregious and I am glad you made it, because while the other stuff could just be you misunderstanding, your completely false claim that I am somehow “paid” to espouse a particular agenda or train of thought is so dirty and so dishonest, I now know with nearly 100% certainty you are a bad actor, and if anyone is probably paid, it is you not me. But to clear things up anyway, I will go back to what I wrote in my piece from last year:

      I, Michael Krieger, am the 100% owner of Liberty Blitzkrieg. I am the only person who makes decisions on what to publish and when. I have absolutely no connections, financial or otherwise, to the Russian government, Russian interests, or the interests of any other government or government related group. Moreover, there is simply nobody on planet earth who has any influence on what I write or what I publish. I left a very successful and financially lucrative job to do what I do now because my passions and ethical grounding pushed me in this direction. If I was interested in making enormous sums of money, I could’ve easily stayed on Wall Street.

      Here’s the full post: https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/11/25/liberty-blitzkrieg-included-on-washington-post-highlighted-hit-list-of-russian-propaganda-websites/

      Go take your lies and character assassinations elsewhere.

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